Writing in Paradise | Jul 9, 2007
PAZZ | Jul 9, 2007
John Coffey | Jul 9, 2007
PAZZ wrote:HA HA HA ha ha, they set out to measure GOD? Make GOD as a part of an equation in a science experiment?? HA HA HA HA!! They tried to control GOD as part of a test!! HO HO HO, and the failure of this Quackery would reinforce your disbelief in GOD?? HEE HEE HEE HA HA, you one funny woman. HA HA HA HA!! ROFLMAO!!
MamaJohnson86 | Jul 9, 2007
Pak31 | Jul 9, 2007
Pak31 wrote:I agree. You can't test prayer by conducting an experiment or a survey.
TERRY LONG | Jul 9, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:The Templeton Foundation, a christian organization, in 2006, set out to prove that prayer works, with a massive study that ended up costing over 2.4 million dollars.http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie... http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/prayer.html#S... 1,802 patients at 6 different hospitals were organized into the study. They'd all received heart bypass surgery so that there would be as much similarity as possible.Patients were organized into three groups:1) Patients who weren't prayed for and were told they might or might not be, but were.2) Patients who were prayed for, and were told they might or might not be, but weren't.3) Patients who were prayed for, and knew it.It was a double-blind study, as real science demands. The patients didn't know who the prayers were, or where they were, or in most cases even that they were being prayed for.On the other side were 3 churches in 3 different states that didn't know each other. They were given the first name and last initial and the condition of the patient they were to pray for.Prayer started the night before surgery, and continued for 14 days thereafter. As an extra control, congregation members were given the instruction to include the phrase "a successful surgery with no complications" in their prayers.Here are the results:http://www.ahjonline.com/article/PIIS00028703... Not only did the prayer have NO POSITIVE EFFECT AT ALL, it actually had a negative effect on the patients who knew for certain they were being prayed for. The conclusion of the researchers was a psychosomatic effect due to 'performance anxiety'. They made themselves sicker from the pressure of the experiment.
tobe | Jul 9, 2007
MamaJohnson86 wrote:Who cares? If someone wants to pray, let them. It's not hurting anybody.
pbfa | Jul 9, 2007
Home in Jersey | Jul 9, 2007
Hanover Fist | Jul 9, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:<quoted text>So God ignores the sick to make a political point?
Home in Jersey wrote:My post wasn't to you Hanover Fist, your didn't show up in my browser until I posted.
TERRY LONG wrote:<quoted text>Dont fool yourself there little one... PRAYER DOES WORK... who were the ones praying ??
pbfa wrote:WiP, I've read about that study. It's pretty funny, actually. The problem is you can't measure or limit 'prayer', for starters.
Home in Jersey wrote:The fallacy is thinking that you can make God jump through hoops.
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